tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post3788115761437512431..comments2024-03-28T18:53:54.518-07:00Comments on Realm of Chaos 80s: Acceptable in the '80s: Strategems, Ruses and Ploys: Warhammer Third Edition Tactica!Orlygghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-45267826979398374132013-04-14T05:46:14.116-07:002013-04-14T05:46:14.116-07:00I wouldn't read too much intent into the artic...I wouldn't read too much intent into the article - Pete wasn't working for GW at the time the article was published, though he had written Golden Heroes a bit earlier (he did actually come to work for the company later on, writing several codexes and army books between around 2000 and 2005). More relevant is the fact that he was a very big name on the ancients circuit at that time, having won the worlds twice, so that's more where he's coming from.Colonel Kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16369991242619843229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-56109501122480611642013-04-11T04:59:23.561-07:002013-04-11T04:59:23.561-07:00I love tournaments, and I've tried tactics, bu...I love tournaments, and I've tried tactics, but when your vampire and his undead servants square off against your opponents general and his loyal but exhausted hearthguard on a blasted hilltop, do you:<br /><br />A: Send in a hitty block of troops to attack the hearthguard's flank in the hope to beat the general through combat resolution and force him to break and run.<br /><br />or<br /><br />B: have your vampire step up and tear the heart out of the enemy general in front of his terrified soldiers before sending in the ghouls. Of course, let one escape...<br /><br />Both utterly valid, but my answer to this is why I don't win tournaments. As has been said, it depends on the kind of game you want to play, but for me, it's all about the narrative. Don't get my wrong, I'm pretty competitive, but with WHFB 8th edition, things like congo lining, corner clipping and so on leave me cold. I don't disapprove as such, but it's not my bag.Mr Saturdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03092917415087033316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-7539276364213017652013-04-11T03:07:37.557-07:002013-04-11T03:07:37.557-07:00I absolutely agree, as long as you and your oppone...I absolutely agree, as long as you and your opponent know the score. It's disappointing being all High Elfy and expecting your opponent to be all Orcy if you haven't discussed it. I never used tactical fleeing in Warhammer as I thought it dishonourable and breaks the immersion but I couldn't impose that rule on my opponent halfway through a game if they wanted to upskirts with their Black Orcs. Also, I would recommend the 'role play' doesn't become a trap for the GM and players. I tried to run a big narrative-led game a while back, as half of the people signed up had Elven armies and the other half had evil armies I lumped all the Elves together (Dark/High/Wood) and wrote out their enmity. Some people subsequently refused to take part because 'Elves don't do that'. The whole game got cancelled because of GW's IP, I was a bit astonished but apparently people hold different convictions to my own. Crazy people. On the whole though, as everyone playing Warhammer knows the character of the races it shouldn't be hard to fall back on that as a default position.Warlord Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477146670213381976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-28529011674734216802013-04-10T23:35:34.435-07:002013-04-10T23:35:34.435-07:00I think that tactics have a place in Oldhammer but...I think that tactics have a place in Oldhammer but they should be in keeping with the nature of your forces. Orks should be sneaky and cowardly, Khorne fanatical about close combat, Dwarfs stalwart and elves arrogant. As generals, we should take on board some of the virtues of WFRP and create character through force composition and application.<br />Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-38601278004936135942013-04-10T12:17:32.165-07:002013-04-10T12:17:32.165-07:00Any decision taken without talking it through with...Any decision taken without talking it through with your opponent is a mistake, I promise! Trust Uncle Warlord! Both players need to be on the same page from start to finish on all things, but especially on what type of game you are playing! When discussing what to play and when to play you must also discuss how to play. Anything else just isn't Oldhammer. I was accused of using 'tactics' recently, justifiably as it turned out, but it was unavoidable because one can't simply unlearn something. I should have better introduced my preferred style of play somehow however, that's on me. Ultimately, if you find yourself tucked away in a dark corner tailoring your army to be a streamlined, efficient killing machine in the hope of ambushing some hapless patsy, you have officially failed as an opponent. If, however, you have established that this is not to be a game for the lily-livered or faint-hearted and your opponent agrees... let the Vampires fly!Warlord Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477146670213381976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-811404165622106782013-04-10T03:14:34.750-07:002013-04-10T03:14:34.750-07:00"High level heroes are also a consideration. ..."High level heroes are also a consideration. Equipping them with a magic weapon that flies enables them to choose what they fight...<br /><br />Sounds a bit too much like the later-edition practise of loading up a flying vampire or what-have-you and chewing up half a 2K point army with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-1169990123309506432013-04-10T01:13:31.622-07:002013-04-10T01:13:31.622-07:00Back in the day playing 1st - 3rd editions I somet...Back in the day playing 1st - 3rd editions I sometimes used to approach games with the main intention of winning, and sometimes fielding particular characters or troop types was the main priority. So what I fielded depended on what my "intention" was. Your troll example is a good one - yes they suffer from stupidity but that brings a great added element of fun to the game and there were some smashing models around at the time which I wanted to field. So basically it came down to whatever mood I was in approaching a particular battle. The main message is that so long as you and your opponent are having fun it doesnt really matter which approach you take. I think "fun" rather than "winning" is going to dictate my troop choice at Oldhammer Weekend :-)Steve Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16970745876897456734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-58105831944759023222013-04-09T12:48:09.467-07:002013-04-09T12:48:09.467-07:00Perhaps you should just rip out the two offending ...Perhaps you should just rip out the two offending pages! Ha ha! Don't worry, I won't be signing up for any tournaments any time soon!Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-6751942989881375972013-04-09T12:36:18.446-07:002013-04-09T12:36:18.446-07:00Orlygg, I agree with Jason! You are treading down...Orlygg, I agree with Jason! You are treading down the Dark Side! Beware! Beware! Who cares if something is not "cost-effective", if it is a cool mini and it fits the story, use it, love it, and enjoy what it brings to the game! Besides wonderful Third is too open-ended to really be a game where uber-lists are anything more than exercises in wackiness. Play a couple games of 7th or 8th with a particularly beardy opponent and you will have the whole "cost-effectiveness" flushed out of your system. I am now off to burn my copy of WD101. private wierdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14226108755068378071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-8977062163233805412013-04-09T09:25:58.853-07:002013-04-09T09:25:58.853-07:00great post, mark my words, you are going give up f...great post, mark my words, you are going give up family life and end up drifting from tournament to tournament.<br />hehe<br />JJason Fulfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09028630099725444105noreply@blogger.com