tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post8666103112491126682..comments2024-03-28T06:24:07.932-07:00Comments on Realm of Chaos 80s: The problem with Oldhammer.Orlygghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-87008642919644170002016-03-07T10:58:44.271-08:002016-03-07T10:58:44.271-08:00I just play with toy soldiers...I just play with toy soldiers...Piershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621064172797548187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-88215019505459220342014-06-30T19:52:04.431-07:002014-06-30T19:52:04.431-07:00Thanks!! It took years to finish that unit... I&#...Thanks!! It took years to finish that unit... I've still got a pile of gors that I need to form into another unit-- some old, some new. littlemutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17995764088506385208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-953775778140775802014-06-30T14:08:02.363-07:002014-06-30T14:08:02.363-07:00I didn't realise I was doing Oldhammer back in...I didn't realise I was doing Oldhammer back in the old days till everyone told me so ; ) Thantsantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06902730729032525538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-82556799200907870482014-06-30T02:34:13.059-07:002014-06-30T02:34:13.059-07:00By the way, littlemute, I really like your Gor her...By the way, littlemute, I really like your Gor herd - great painting. It does reminds me that I need to paint up some of my own Beastmen. In 'elements' of 3s and 4s for HOTT, of course - the reason they are all bare lead is that I could spare the cash required to build a small 8e army, but never found the time to paint them. Andy Bartletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06683770320671028815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-48100555409479217912014-06-30T02:25:45.427-07:002014-06-30T02:25:45.427-07:00I like 8th edition, in so much as it plays really ...I like 8th edition, in so much as it plays really cleanly. But the 50-stong units is what I *don't* like about 8th edition. I don't like the emphasis on big units for two reasons - 1, it is a disincentive to play, or at least fully-painted play, as putting together a painted army (never mind a table) that plays within the optimum size as per the rules would take most people years (and lots of money) - 2, the large units end up being tactically unwieldy, reducing much of the game to the choices made during list-building and initial set-up. I addition, the scale of the fantasy in WFB has crept up and up edition by edition, until now we have wizards blasting away whole units of 50 miniatures, and an emphasis on building synergistic effects between magic items, spells, and special rules. Everything is a bit more AWESUM!, but I often want something a bit more gritty. <br /><br />But don't listen to me, I'm gradually moving further and further away from WFB altogether - my tastes are switching to quicker play systems (WFB 8 might be clean, but the rule system is built around 'exceptions', with every single unit having special rules, scattered across over £100 of rulebooks [core plus two army books]) which are more abstract but still capture the feel of a battle. I'm in the process of re-basing my old Dwarfs for a game of Hordes of the Things, while the single-based miniatures will be used in smaller scale skirmishes using Songs of Blades and Heroes. Nevertheless, I think that I'll be able to capture the Oldhammer vibe, which for me is about the aesthetics of the miniatures, a do-it-yourself attitude towards terrain, and a spirit of play geared towards scenarios and mutual fun in the narrative of battle. Andy Bartletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06683770320671028815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-62078583177362249282014-06-28T08:05:46.915-07:002014-06-28T08:05:46.915-07:00Done!
Journey to The Black HoleDone!<br /><br /><a href="http://warlordpauluk.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/the-aftermath.html" rel="nofollow">Journey to The Black Hole</a>Warlord Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477146670213381976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-77651748122628372372014-06-28T07:38:46.432-07:002014-06-28T07:38:46.432-07:00I'm from Melbourne, don't have a large amo...I'm from Melbourne, don't have a large amount of miniatures painted (I'm a slow painter) and I'm just beginning to build up my collection again but I'm keen! Might actually get me out of this horrendous painter's block I'm in.Witchfinder In Generalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470075452096527259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-43253202540902131752014-06-28T06:53:49.139-07:002014-06-28T06:53:49.139-07:00I will do a blog post of my own on the conversatio...I will do a blog post of my own on the conversation I think Bruno, keep an eye out.Warlord Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477146670213381976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-27308630588265824832014-06-28T00:08:43.132-07:002014-06-28T00:08:43.132-07:00I heard you two grind up spined dragons into dust ...I heard you two grind up spined dragons into dust a snort it through rolled up copies of the lost and the damned.Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-40662412276555183662014-06-27T17:35:28.916-07:002014-06-27T17:35:28.916-07:00I'm oldhammer and so is my wife.I'm oldhammer and so is my wife.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879413617587155317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-57131500380497679442014-06-27T16:42:16.739-07:002014-06-27T16:42:16.739-07:00It seems we are in agreement Bruno. In the article...It seems we are in agreement Bruno. In the article above, which was intended to be rather tongue in cheek, I said that 'oldhammer is NOT a particular ruleset, nor a figure manufacturer or a blog post to be adhered to religiously' and I mean it. I include my own blog posts in that message. I get many emails from people who seem to think what we do is play WFB3 and collect Citadel lead. I was trying to say that this is not the case at all, just what I do and what I tend to write about. Many people mistakenly believe that I invented Oldhammer (some even think Chico owns it) probably hecause this blog is so highly visable. I was simply trying to state that this is not the case and that you can do what you like. Oldhammer is a personal thing, I try and encourage people to do their own thing.Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-41033340230293785372014-06-27T16:25:11.387-07:002014-06-27T16:25:11.387-07:00@James and Paul :
What I do want to express is the...@James and Paul :<br />What I do want to express is the fact that "the Oldhammer contract" has played a vital role in the creation of the forum, and the forum has itself played a vital role in the fast growing of the community. This is the act that did transform a blog community where everyone was commenting each other blog posts to something with a "real existence". But the forum was first setup so that a community could build something : a retroclone named BLOOD, hence the name : bloodforum and not oldhammer forum at the start !<br /><br />And you were the first to admit it one year ago ! Then there was what happened in last october, "the pony wars incident" as we might call it and everything that resulted from it, everything after was not the same, Paul did left, and you, James, did entirely focus on the facebook group and your blog (which I do always read with pleasure)...<br /><br />The fact is also that the Oldhammer Contract has nothing directly to do with collecting Citadel Miniatures, and, as of today, someone totally new to all of this could think that this is the main subject, as this is the more visible ans probably what attracts more people. But, the idea was retrogaming (as opposed to archeogaming), the idea was using every miniature you wanted from any manufacturer to play a fun and narrative game using old rules, or even better new compatible rules, the idea was using the old rules as a toolbox to encourage DIY and have fun ! and, I'm sorry, but this is not what we are seeing today !<br /><br />What we see is people saying that you must use only Citadel Miniatures from before '92 or '94 or..., that such or such game is or is not oldhammer, questions regarding the use of units not in the books, questions regarding point values, etc. The fun does not stay long when you begin to have such limits. This kind of limits are what we were all fleeing and what caused us to research the spirit of the "Goold old days" ! The idea is not to have a kind of metagame with WAAC players for each past edition of the game !<br /><br />Lets start again from the start, lets encourage people to be free and to have fun, lets promote DIY and spirit of the rules over rules as written, but please do not totally forget or deny what was here at the start :) (and note that it's the "what" and not the "who" that matters !)<br /><br />@Chico : the forum did migrate as it was a demand from the members, to have its own domain name and hosting, and as, for health and family reasons, notably the recent loss of my wife, I had no time nor interest for it at the time. I did help the best I could to make the migration possible by giving access to my servers, I'm even still redirecting the old URLs to the new ones so that articles written at the time of the bloodforum point to the oldhammer forum in a transparent way...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15179513740158583472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-13331388660519940122014-06-27T16:07:54.780-07:002014-06-27T16:07:54.780-07:00Viva mi Raza!Viva mi Raza!Chico Dankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16209424634551876747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-18772578514516204282014-06-27T15:46:45.076-07:002014-06-27T15:46:45.076-07:00:D:DWarlord Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477146670213381976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-13599121237393512052014-06-27T15:44:55.169-07:002014-06-27T15:44:55.169-07:00Goodnight Bruno, no hard feelings I hope.Goodnight Bruno, no hard feelings I hope.Warlord Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477146670213381976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-62402011095257329602014-06-27T15:43:39.975-07:002014-06-27T15:43:39.975-07:00Knowing Zhu, he will probably he as amused as I wi...Knowing Zhu, he will probably he as amused as I with this new irony. We cannot all agree what Oldhammer means and now we cannot agree on its history! (: Ha ha! Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-27096920509081842432014-06-27T15:41:51.426-07:002014-06-27T15:41:51.426-07:00Aha, another conspirator! The plot thickens...
Vi...Aha, another conspirator! The plot thickens...<br /><br />Viva El Presidente!Warlord Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477146670213381976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-91294466038251483522014-06-27T15:41:10.919-07:002014-06-27T15:41:10.919-07:00I'm sorry, the words are over what I do want t...I'm sorry, the words are over what I do want to express I will try to write it in an other way...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15179513740158583472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-12344199410757253242014-06-27T15:35:49.230-07:002014-06-27T15:35:49.230-07:00I'm seem to have slept though a coup, I do rem...I'm seem to have slept though a coup, I do remember a large absence from the owner of the BLOOD forum before the name change and move though, something do with some shady practices if I remember right.. Then I do remember being asked to help mod the new forum and getting shit for it.. but nope no coupChico Dankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16209424634551876747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-63770516862748696012014-06-27T15:32:46.493-07:002014-06-27T15:32:46.493-07:00You've always been quick to assert an ownershi...You've always been quick to assert an ownership of the term Oldhammer on Zhu's behalf by the way. Have you ever stopped to consider that he might be happy to see it go off and flourish? Oldhammer will inevitably change as it grows, keeping it static is now impossible, referencing the Oldhammer Contract is a positive way to enhance Oldhammer but why is it so important to nitpick over history? Genuinely curious.Warlord Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477146670213381976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-50243981366643397942014-06-27T15:32:05.346-07:002014-06-27T15:32:05.346-07:00Have you been in the pub Bruno? Forum take overs a...Have you been in the pub Bruno? Forum take overs and the re-writing of history? This is WFB not JFK! WTF! If I remember correctly, the issues on the forum arose through a large number of people not being happy about the commercialisation of the community without consultation. Go read my first post, my inspiration for doing RoC80s came from Gaj's excellent blog. Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-32938897908100912252014-06-27T15:27:03.058-07:002014-06-27T15:27:03.058-07:00It's a little strong to call it a coup, I seem...It's a little strong to call it a coup, I seem to recall being asked to do a crappy job nobody else wanted. No need to get testy because you are being disagreed with! I got into Oldhammer through this blog, Thantsants blog, Gaj's blog and Erny's blog. End of story. My acquaintance with the Oldhammer Contract came much later. Naturally then, I give credit for my own involvement to those who spread the word most successfully while recognising that other strands of the Oldhammer twine go back further than that, Zhu's being one of them. The dates on blog posts don't matter do they?Warlord Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477146670213381976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-39366842987935063982014-06-27T15:09:10.419-07:002014-06-27T15:09:10.419-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15179513740158583472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-82424368030834666192014-06-27T15:00:58.956-07:002014-06-27T15:00:58.956-07:00They are my opinions based on my gaming life. I ha...They are my opinions based on my gaming life. I have always shared them with people. But that is all they are, my opnions. And they are hardly radical. I wrote the posts you mention upon request because many people were emailing me and asking me for advice. It seemed simplier to just create an article to refer them on to. This blog is written for its readers. I respond to their needs as good writers will do. Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-49229831026393198792014-06-27T14:58:25.124-07:002014-06-27T14:58:25.124-07:00Bruno, if you will allow me to paraphrase James Ma...Bruno, if you will allow me to paraphrase James Madison...<br /><br />You give credit which no-one has claim to when claiming there is an author of Oldhammer. This was not, like the fabled Goddess of Wisdom, the offspring of a single brain. It ought to be regarded as the work of many heads and many hands.Warlord Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477146670213381976noreply@blogger.com