tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post2344931184037967761..comments2024-03-29T00:12:07.643-07:00Comments on Realm of Chaos 80s: The Citadel LogoOrlygghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-88960811895568611752021-06-07T00:56:54.550-07:002021-06-07T00:56:54.550-07:00And so ends the story, for now anyway, as there ma...And so ends the story, for now anyway, as there may be more to this tale than has already been revealed. Perhaps you know something of import and are willing to share it with the readership. 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Tony Ackland thought that the typeface was a paper one from the US; Bryan Ansell thought it was called 'Stomehenge'. <br /><br />Going back to the computer font, I notice it's from a paper one called 'Stonehenge' but they changed the name because there's a different typeface called Stonehenge.<br /><br />So... the computer font is the same as the origin of the typeface that was used by Citadel.Red Orchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07015582577046093985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-33169388148187796942014-12-28T08:25:48.473-08:002014-12-28T08:25:48.473-08:00If you are after information about fonts for Citad...If you are after information about fonts for Citadel then I really do suggest speaking to Zhu Baijee, either through the FB group or the forum. I am certain he carried out research into this topic. Tell him I sent you! (:Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-19650465068946307612014-12-28T08:19:55.350-08:002014-12-28T08:19:55.350-08:00I'm not sure Albie Fiorie's contribution c...I'm not sure Albie Fiorie's contribution can be regarded as 'small'. He was responsible for one of the most widely-regarded D&D scenarios ever (certainly of those published outside of TSR/WotC) - 'The Lichway', originally published in WD 9 and reprinted in WD Scenarios I. He was also the editor of the 'Fiend Folio' column in WD, which was if I recall correctly the source for the monsters in the original D&D 'Fiend Folio'. If I'm right, he also created several of those monsters.<br /><br />Here's a link to something Fighting Fantasist wrote about The Lichway some years ago: http://fightingfantasist.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/lichway.html<br /><br />This implies that Terry Pratchett was originally hooked on D&D (and then developed the Discworld) through playing 'The Lichway', which, if true, gives Albie Fiore some share in inspiring one of the most successful fantasy fiction series of all time. It's a great shame, I didn't know he'd died. I'm sure he'd have got a kick out of knowing that the classic era of British gaming that he was so intimately bound up with was making a comeback.<br /><br />I originally came to this post looking for information on the typeface used by Citadel, when I was making an 'Oldhammer' logo for my blog - http://fantasyadventuringblog.blogspot.co.uk/ - but I still haven't found out what it was originally! It's a pity Tony Ackland and Bryan Ansell can't remember. But, I did come across this - http://www.dafont.com/moria-citadel.font - which was one person's attempt at recreating it, and the font I eventually used for my logo.Red Orchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07015582577046093985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-18704061590025708892014-09-26T15:19:02.031-07:002014-09-26T15:19:02.031-07:00Funny, I assumed it had something to do with John ...Funny, I assumed it had something to do with John Blanche's Hrthyogg's Tower. In my mind they were pretty much a match, but now I get WFRP out again and have a ood look they're completely different castles!Fimm Mc Coolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16885795569418541399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-28925219936521126772014-09-26T09:50:55.318-07:002014-09-26T09:50:55.318-07:00I am glad that you enjoyed it Chris. Yes Albie see...I am glad that you enjoyed it Chris. Yes Albie seems to be a bit of an unsung hero regarding his contribution to fantasy gaming, small as it was. He clearly contributed a great deal more to more traditional types of gaming. But he made his mark. Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-24998767811091842662014-09-26T09:14:23.639-07:002014-09-26T09:14:23.639-07:00Well, this has to be one of he most interesting th...Well, this has to be one of he most interesting things I've read on the internet in some time! Great work. And what an interesting chap Albie Fiore seems to have been what a diverse and eclectic career path he had! Good on him!<br /><br />As an aside, I remember as a youngster thinking the Citadel logo always looked like a guitar from a distance...Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00603532357518350194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-85509750462263470392014-09-26T08:02:54.276-07:002014-09-26T08:02:54.276-07:00Well a rough outline might work out like this. By ...Well a rough outline might work out like this. By the mid '80s Bryan Ansell had bought out GW (and Ian and Steve) enough to have full independent control of the business. Being a miniature manufacturer, he realised that the profits relating to traditional RPG products were falling but sales of the actual miniatures was much more healthy. Hence, under his control there was a big, big push for miniature related games (WFB2nd and 3rd editions, 40k, and all the big box games etc) and a gradual winding down of RPG support. White Dwarf was changed to push GW games only and the early experiments with plastics began. GW expanded during this period, pushing into new markets, especially in the US. By the early 1990s Bryan had less input as a management buy out (lead by Tom Kirby) was in progress. By late 1991, Bryan had sold the company (for a reported £10 million). The management buyout left the new owners of GW heavily in debt, and so new editions of WFB and 40k were produced (very cheaply I have been told) and published as big box games. These were very much targeted at younger players. A few years later, the company was floated on the stock market and ceased to be a private company. No longer would the creative vision of a small group of likeminded people be at the fore. Now, it was all stocks, shares and shareholders. Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-36353265617198321282014-09-26T07:41:50.593-07:002014-09-26T07:41:50.593-07:00A great article, really fascinating to read about ...A great article, really fascinating to read about the history of GW and Citadel and from the creators themselves; thank you for sharing. What an incredible legacy they started all those years ago.<br /><br />I've always been intrigued by the decision and changes of management in '91 and the floating on the stockmarket in '94. Can you shed any light on these decisions from those involved?Stuart Bannisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17021594664352012069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-56274938949993277582014-09-26T06:11:30.835-07:002014-09-26T06:11:30.835-07:00The top part of the logo (especially Tony Ackland&...The top part of the logo (especially Tony Ackland's) looks like it inspired the wizard's tower miniature for Mighty Empires tooAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15088550130311360176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-44467679265502527522014-09-26T06:02:16.854-07:002014-09-26T06:02:16.854-07:00You are quite right, it is! My wife was suggesting...You are quite right, it is! My wife was suggesting a holiday to Germany in the next couple of years so perhaps I will get the chance to check out on the Ludwig's Bavarian castles first hand. And hopefully some smooth German beer too!Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-43723353991347590972014-09-26T05:59:28.974-07:002014-09-26T05:59:28.974-07:00Citadel was founded in 1979, before the first FF b...Citadel was founded in 1979, before the first FF book, so I expect that the iconic design influenced the Citadel of Chaos' cover. I too have read the book by Jonathan and I pretty sure that he states something similar there, or quotes someone who does. I will have to check later. I am glad you enjoy the blog.Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-18062225009223626322014-09-26T05:47:24.836-07:002014-09-26T05:47:24.836-07:00What a wonderful article. Since that logo and it&#...What a wonderful article. Since that logo and it's many variants have been a part of so many of our lives, it's enlightening to find out where it was originally conceived.Stygianhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02157673627988765453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-26515110832763946672014-09-26T05:26:01.834-07:002014-09-26T05:26:01.834-07:00Thank you for that!
Sorry to bother, but I have ...Thank you for that! <br /><br />Sorry to bother, but I have just read Jonathan Green's history of Fighting Fantasy gamebooks, and the Citadel logo is linked there with the cover of the third book in the series, The Citadel of Chaos (http://turnto400.blogspot.fi/2010/06/2-citadel-of-chaos-steve-jackson-1983.html). <br /><br />However, I can't know remember whether the cover created the design OR if Jackson and Livingstone just wanted to tie the book series to the activities of Games Workshop by streamlining designs across all their activities. <br /><br />And of course: thank you for the blog! Keep up the good work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-44896484885143621832014-09-26T02:35:05.530-07:002014-09-26T02:35:05.530-07:00I am glad that you think so. Its amazing how many ...I am glad that you think so. Its amazing how many little stories like this that can be uncovered so many years later thanks to changes in technology and communication. The spontaneous way in which these nuggets are uncovered is equally fascinating. Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283315887973123007.post-77786209974527652142014-09-26T01:52:55.235-07:002014-09-26T01:52:55.235-07:00Great insight into an iconic wargaming image.Great insight into an iconic wargaming image.Crucium Gigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07694153813754564066noreply@blogger.com